Action Replay: Jimmy Hill – A Man for all Seasons
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Below is the discussion so far. Feel free to add your own comments!Email letter from another member about this:
Quote:Dear ComradesThe obituary on Jimmy Hill (February Socialist Standard) failed to mention his role as consultant and mediator of a ‘rebel tour’ to apartheid South Africa to play football in 1982. There was also omission of his defence of football manager Ron Atkinson’s use of the word ‘nigger’ in an off-air 2004 television transmission for football .I am also very surprised that we devoted so much space to the death of David Bowie .JoelI disagree with Joel's comments about Bowie but I hope the letter is published in next month's Standard.
I think the article about Bowie is a waste of space and is an indication of the overinfluence of one member in the party. The SSPC should not have published it. I can think of a lot more important issues than a dead self confessed fascist musician.I think the EC should comment. And I don't understand why we have an article on Jimmy fucking Hill.Is there is an article on the Doctor's strike?We wonder what is wrong with the party
Vin, if my memory serves me correctly, we have had a few ex-facists who joined the Party and of course one of the most well known has been Ricky Tomlinson ex-NF (but perhaps he didn't give up his authoritarian tendencies by joining the Scargill's Stalinist SLP )We are all permitted to change our views and it would be more accurately to describe Bowie as an ex and now recanted fascist rather than self-confessed.As a recanted Tartan Army follower i too share your absolute disgust at Jimmy Hill's inclusion in the Standard …Can i be referred to the ex-miner the Great St Jock Stein's obituary? During a miners’ strike they were shipping coal in from Belgium and he spotted the scab drivers. Stein stopped them and said: ‘I hope you’re proud of yourselves. You’re doing people out of a living.’ Then he said : ‘This is an absolute bloody disgrace. You go down that pit shaft, a mile underground. You can’t see a thing. The guy next to you, you don’t know who he is. Yet he is the best friend you will ever have.’or Bill Shankleys "“The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It’s the way I see football, the way I see life.” …Less said about that champagne Labour supporter but ex-shop steward and striker in the union sense of the word 'Up the Reds' Ferguson the better
alanjjohnstone wrote:Vin, if my memory serves me correctly, we have had a few ex-facists who joined the Party and of course one of the most well known has been Ricky Tomlinson ex-NF (but perhaps he didn't give up his authoritarian tendencies by joining the Scargill's Stalinist SLP )I didn't know that! Was it around the time of his union activities?
Yes it was. He was an NF member at the time of that strike. What the examples of him and Hill confirm is that you don't have to be a socialist to be a militant trade unionist.
ALB wrote:you don't have to be a socialist to be a militant trade unionist.and the converse would appear to be true
Vin wrote:I think the article about Bowie is a waste of space and is an indication of the overinfluence of one member in the party. The SSPC should not have published it. I can think of a lot more important issues than a dead self confessed fascist musician.I think the EC should comment. And I don't understand why we have an article on Jimmy fucking Hill.Is there is an article on the Doctor's strike?We wonder what is wrong with the partyHear hear.
I often relate to a particular member of my own union branch, a UKIP supporter from its earliest days, a staunch Orangeman being a member of an even more extreme independent lodge but when it came to union activity, he was as miltant as any left-winger, even accepting the banner of James Connolly on the picket lines as a trade union organiser but not as a proponent of Irish nationalism. I used to describe many of his ilk and there are many in Scotland as Orange Reds…
alanjjohnstone wrote:Orange Reds…lol
Vin wrote:I think the article about Bowie is a waste of space and is an indication of the overinfluence of one member in the party. The SSPC should not have published it. I can think of a lot more important issues than a dead self confessed fascist musician.Any member can submit an article to the SSPC, no special influence is required.
Got to admit Vin, I wondered about the Bowie article, however I've got to say I passed my copy on to lots of friends and acquaintances who read that edition 'cos they were Bowie fans, and more importantly, they went on to read other parts of the Standard, so it might have been more influential than first thought?
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