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i think ive been misunderstood here so i will sum up here the best way i can & let this thread to whom who need it: people to achieve thier freedom from control need apuse & ignorance, and make better & complete living – they should gather thier forces in a glopal league ( world revolutionary gang) to force ending governments & establish organizations thier sole purpose is to end the need for those organizations by working on ending the need for work ignorance & so on. while in the bigening will stil be a need for money as there still jobs & privates- and that dimensh whith the dimenshing need for the organization whitch will give up its business alog with all jobs to the automated computer run world producer net. that simple!

Alb, once you end soveregin state you have that; & that is only a part.

generaly, i admire SPGB’s sprit. here below my final conclusion.
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Life vs death
Cooperation vs conflict
social self drives vs profits employments drives
The present vs the past
Consouisness & knowledge vs dogma & ignorance
Global organization(s) vs World govenment(s)
System(s) to liberate vs authorities to control

But Confusion, fear, stubidity & of course to be objective about one own life that what ditter people from solving these problems. But once answered verbaly its not that hard too to be solved as physical reality.

In a plainer way : people to achieve the individual living the basic material building block for social life, should know first what make them not to, And that is: the dark ages mentality that having possession of todays Terapowers, those wimpy cowards who are in service of every destructive business, the other wimpy cowards who do not do something about it, and the general state of ignorance & pseudo consiousness that deepen day by day. All other technical evils concerning Governance & Wealth are just consequences and manifestations of this wimpy corrupted mentality.

The what to do is not that hard neither, for people to achieve thier freedom from control need abuse & ignorance, they should gather thier forces a globaly/ territory to force ending governments & establish organizations thier sole purpose is to end the need for those organizations – not sustianing its ever existence! – to handle later its business and all its jobs to the generaly known now possible the global producer net. there no need for physical bodily gatherings for the metaphysical cyber gatherings have made it possible to force this major territory/global change.

Side TZM.

once you end soveregin state there no capitalism.

am done with talking for talking & who knows more!

SPGB version is like that: the dogmatic beaten workers take over the possessions of the conquerer liberal workers to establish world workers dictatorship which mutch worse than capitalism. ending sovergin state incompass ending one of its evils! capital – toward creation of higher society done cooperatively by all human or at least who wish to!

i am not socialist – anti qua society.

capitalist institutions cant be run except in capitalist way though for non profit.

when you have an epidemic: you follow these steps: apply your known treatment find a better treatment; part of the marxist movement have done that; but generaly in terms as the liberal OR dogmatist movements – History of the dogmatist movement kept hiting the wall.
any analysis fail to take the whole picture of The soveregin State with its all agents: Man Wealth Governance, With all its actors: owners servants & subservants. will fail to determine Actions.
the recent history of the western civilization is a history of a GRAND ESCAPE begining with OWNERS and at last the Subservants – Masters of the global Bullshit; a worse state than that of Capitalism – but by its interinsic conditions THE GRAND ESCAPE is marching Toward balance of the weak a slow social death Draging the whole world. there is no solutions except for INDIVIDUAL solutions – there is no science in That.

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