1 May in London
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As usual, we will be present at this event:
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/event/may-day-london-12noon
We aim to set up a small stall outside the Marx Memorial Library building in Clerkenwell Green. In any event there will be a comrade there from noon with leaflets and Socialist Standards. No volunteers to bring the Party banner so we won't be able to muster under it.
Three members ran a small stall and handed out leaflets (surplus London election ones). Sunny day but the turnout for the march was pathetic. Without the Turkish, Kurdish and Tamil "Marxist-Leninists", some brandishing pictures of Stalin, there'd have been hardly anybody on it. Hardly any trade unionists as such. In fact it was a "Marxist-Leninist" rather than a Trotskyist convention. Still, we met some old contacts and had some interesting conversations.There's an official TUC march and rally on Saturday 12 May at which there will be many, many more.
Saturday 5th MayEdinburgh The march leads off from the top of Johnston Terrace at mid-day – marching down the Royal Mile and then up to the Pleasance. From 12.30pm stalls at the Pleasance Cabaret Bar include SfbBooks, Peace Groups, UAF, Green Trade Unionists, IWW, SUTR, Campaign Against Poverty, ACE, Abortion Rights, Living Rent, SPSC and Edinburgh Trades Council The rally is upstairs in the theatre (times approximate): 12..40pm Film – Making it Work – lives and experience of lone parents in North Edinburgh 1.00pm Music – Penny Stone (Edinburgh CND 1.10pm Speaker – Dave Moxham (STUC) 1.20pm Speaker – AL Kennedy (author) 1.30pm Speaker – Alison Gilmour (UCU activist) 1.40pm Speaker – Jane McAlevey (author and activist) 1.55pm Music – Calum BairdIRVINEOrganised by Irvine and North Ayrshire Trades Union CouncilAssemble: 11.30am Vineburgh Community Centre, march off at 12 noonRally: Vineburgh Community Centre, Quarry Road, Irvine at 1pmABERDEENOrganised by Aberdeen Trades Union CouncilAssemble 11am at Rubislaw Terrace, march off at 11.30amRally at 12.15pm CastlegateGlasgow Sunday May 6th 11 a.m. George Square, 11.30 a.m. march to Rally 12 noon at Royal Concert Hall. Speakers Jane McAlevey, Stewart McDonald
ALB wrote:Three members ran a small stall and handed out leaflets (surplus London election ones). Sunny day but the turnout for the march was pathetic. Without the Turkish, Kurdish and Tamil "Marxist-Leninists", some brandishing pictures of Stalin, there'd have been hardly anybody on it. Hardly any trade unionists as such. In fact it was a "Marxist-Leninist" rather than a Trotskyist convention. Still, we met some old contacts and had some interesting conversations.There's an official TUC march and rally on Saturday 12 May at which there will be many, many more.How come Turks based in London join 'Marxist-Leninist' groups and not us?
No doubt because they are nationalists as all "Marxists-Leninists" deliberately are. Incidentally, over the years we have had a few members (I can think of 4) from "Turks based in London".
jondwhite wrote:ALB wrote:Three members ran a small stall and handed out leaflets (surplus London election ones). Sunny day but the turnout for the march was pathetic. Without the Turkish, Kurdish and Tamil "Marxist-Leninists", some brandishing pictures of Stalin, there'd have been hardly anybody on it. Hardly any trade unionists as such. In fact it was a "Marxist-Leninist" rather than a Trotskyist convention. Still, we met some old contacts and had some interesting conversations.There's an official TUC march and rally on Saturday 12 May at which there will be many, many more.How come Turks based in London join 'Marxist-Leninist' groups and not us?
Because the Socialist Party is not based on bourgeois reformisma, bourgeoise nationalism, and the so called national liberation, and we do not support Leninism
Because the Socialist Party is not based on bourgeois reformisma, bourgeoise nationalism, and the so called national liberation, and we do not support Leninismbut this is a tautology. It is saying Turks based in London join marxist Leninist groups because those groups are nationalist. Why are Turks any more nationalist than Brits?
jondwhite wrote:Why are Turks any more nationalist than Brits?Their nationalism is more intense because the Turkish State has not been in existence as long so that its partisans have had to wage a more recent and more determined struggle to get support against conservative ideas such as nostalgia for the Ottoman Empire, Islam, etc. There was an article which touched on this in the March Socialist Standard:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2018/no-1363-march-2018/turkey-whats-goingIn Britain the stuff put out by the so-called "Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist" on Brexit is virtually indistinguisable from that put out by UKIP. See for example the front cover and content of their pamphlet Take Control which can be downloaded from their site (it's on the right):https://www.cpbml.org.uk/
ALB wrote:jondwhite wrote:Why are Turks any more nationalist than Brits?Their nationalism is more intense because the Turkish State has not been in existence as long so that its partisans have had to wage a more recent and more determined struggle to get support against conservative ideas such as nostalgia for the Ottoman Empire, Islam, etc. There was an article which touched on this in the March Socialist Standard:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2018/no-1363-march-2018/turkey-whats-goingIn Britain the stuff put out by the so-called "Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist" on Brexit is virtually indistinguisable from that put out by UKIP. See for example the front cover and content of their pamphlet Take Control which can be downloaded from their site (it's on the right):https://www.cpbml.org.uk/
Arab socialism is a bourgeois nationalism which is worst and more intense and reactionary than European nationalism and Germany nazism and they want the return of the Ottoman Empire and backward islamism. It had been supported by several Trotskyist groups which proclaimed that Hussein was an anti imperialist. The British nationalists are boys scouts
Topping reddit.com/r/socialism earlier today was an image of Glasgow May Day March. It pictured a horizontal red banner reading 'Our Flag Stays Red' with little yellow stars. This was described as a 'red bloc' but I believe it also appears on the facebook page of the 'Scottish Communists', a branch of the 'Communist Party' (Morning Star).https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/8hha7a/may_day_red_bloc_in_glasgow_scotland_today/Here's hoping the Marx and Engels banner of Glasgow SPGB branch saw the sunshine too!
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