Discussion of wikipedia entry for “Social Credit System”.

November 2024 Forums General discussion Discussion of wikipedia entry for “Social Credit System”.

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    Anonymous
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    I want to know what members think of the wikipedia articles decribing the chinese social credit system

    I'd like you to compare and contrast the wikipedia entries with a wikipedia or personal version of socialism or communism that you pick. In your response please compare and contrast with some other economic political concept of your choice. 

    Thanks for your time and attention.  If you mention in your reply how long you spent reading, writing and reasoning regarding this topic to create your reply, then I will match your time with an equal amount of my time spent reading and resoning and writing or acting on a topic of your choce.  (up to 30 minutes per person limit and limted to the first 5 replies. Marcos is excluded from this offer. 

    Here's what I wrote myself as an example of the type of response I'm looking for. but instead of hOEP (hours equals price). My personal choice of hOEP economy is based on my favorite economic model but you should focused on your favorite brand of socialism in your comparison and constrast reply.  


    example desired response from members of SPGB


    I'm comparing the wikipedia pages with my personal home brew economic system I call hEOP (hOurs Equals Price). You can find out more about my personal economic system in youtube videos at https://goo.gl/c6DC8i . I think the Social credit system is similar to a hOEP economy, but hOEP is crowdsourced and a free market optional use agreement that is freely chosen by buyers and sellers that runs at a profit. So instead of a top down government authority, hOEP has a bottom up distributed decision making structure. But all hOEP transactions have to be profitable to both the buyer or seller or they aren’t viable and don’t happen in a hOEP free market economy. hOEP and the chinese social credit system are very similar in goals and effects on the marketplace under most market conditions. hOEP will sometimes be more efficient and outcompete the social credit system because it adapts and evolves faster than the Chinese social credit system. You could also add hOEP to the chinese social credit system for optional use when agreed upon by both buyers and sellers for individual purchases or products or stores. You could alternatively make a hOEP preset option in the drop down box terms and conditions that says “the terms and conditions of this exchange are set by the Chinese social credit system”. And then hOEP would function to let you chinese tourist pay in “Social Credit System hOEP”. I don’t expect buyers and sellers in an american free market would choose to buy or wait in line or sell with “china’s social credit system hOEP”, but they could if they wanted to.

    It took me 30 minutes to read the wikipedia entries and write my reply.  I want you to act for 30 minutes. Pick up litter in your neighborhood or plant a tree in the forest for 30 minutes.  Don't spend your time on a reply for me please.  Or maybe just spend 5 minutes on a reply and spend 25 minutes on planting a tree?   

    #132674
    Anonymous
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    This shit has nothing to do with the socialist party case

    #132675
    Bijou Drains
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    Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:
    It took me 30 minutes to read the wikipedia entries and write my reply.  I want you to act for 30 minutes. Pick up litter in your neighborhood or plant a tree in the forest for 30 minutes.  Don't spend your time on a reply for me please.  Or maybe just spend 5 minutes on a reply and spend 25 minutes on planting a tree?   

    I spent 25 minutes having a dump. I then spent five minutes wiping, guess what I used?

    #132676
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    Discussion of wikipedia entry for "Social Credit System".I want to know what members think of the wikipedia articles decribing the chinese social credit systemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_Systemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy 

    There is no such thing as a 'socialist market economy'.It is capitalist ideology describing a form of capitalism with Chinese characteristics.

    #132677
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    Matt wrote:
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    Discussion of wikipedia entry for "Social Credit System".I want to know what members think of the wikipedia articles decribing the chinese social credit systemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_Systemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy 

    There is no such thing as a 'socialist market economy'.It is capitalist ideology describing a form of capitalism with Chinese characteristics.

    That concept has been explained to him and others participants in this forum about thousands of times and he continues repeating the same idea. Socialism-communism must be a socialist society without capitalist market, it is not going to be an economic system. Period. Chinese market socialism, Vietnam market socialism, Cuban market socialism is capitalism wearing the false mask of socialism. The law of value is only applicable to the capitalist mode of production, and the name of the national estructure does not make any difference. If we have question the best answer is our website, this is our reply to the concept of market socialism. Books don't bitehttps://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1970s/1970/no-795-november-1970/pamphlet-review-marxism-and-market-socialism

    #132678
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    That concept has been explained to him and others participants in this forum about thousands of times and he continues repeating the same idea. Socialism-communism must be a socialist society without capitalist market, it is not going to be an economic system. Period. Chinese market socialism, Vietnam market socialism, Cuban market socialism is capitalism wearing the false mask of socialism. The law of value is only applicable to the capitalist mode of production, and the name of the national estructure does not make any difference. If we have question the best answer is our website, this is our reply to the concept of market socialism. Books don't bitehttps://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1970s/1970/no-795…

    I am not replying to him, but as you are doing with that excellent link, making sure others, who may have stumbled onto our site, just skimming it and  have not seen our answers, are made aware of our case.

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    Matt wrote:
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    That concept has been explained to him and others participants in this forum about thousands of times and he continues repeating the same idea. Socialism-communism must be a socialist society without capitalist market, it is not going to be an economic system. Period. Chinese market socialism, Vietnam market socialism, Cuban market socialism is capitalism wearing the false mask of socialism. The law of value is only applicable to the capitalist mode of production, and the name of the national estructure does not make any difference. If we have question the best answer is our website, this is our reply to the concept of market socialism. Books don't bitehttps://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1970s/1970/no-795…

    I am not replying to him, but as you are doing with that excellent link, making sure others, who may have stumbled onto our site, just skimming it and  have not seen our answers, are made aware of our case.

    I know that you are not replying to him, you are just  trying to educate others members of the forum who have heard the same erronous concept about market socialism which is also supported by seudo-socialists and Leninists, and many so called communists support Yugoslavia  Market socialism and self management. 

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