Franco, Fascism and Modern Spain
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Below is the discussion so far. Feel free to add your own comments!I visited Orgiva about 15 years ago. A lot of British and other European hippies live near there on a dried up river bed, but I think that is not at El Carrizal. I had no idea about the mass grave there. Spain is second only to Cambodia in terms of victims whose remains have never been found.http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2008/10/20/%E2%80%9Cthe-dead-are-so-many-here%E2%80%9D/
DJP wrote:I visited Orgiva about 15 years ago. A lot of British and other European hippies live near there on a dried up river bed, but I think that is not at El Carrizal. I had no idea about the mass grave there. Spain is second only to Cambodia in terms of victims whose remains have never been found.http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2008/10/20/%E2%80%9Cthe-dead-are-so-many-here%E2%80%9D/Hi DJP. I think you are referring to a place called Estrella just outside Orgiva where a few hippies are encamped. Most reside in Beneficio which is up in the mountain above Orgiva and there is a third group along the banks of the Guadalefeo which is never dry and goes all the way down to the Rules dam. This last spot was the site of (for a while) Europe's largest free festival – the Green Dragon festival – until it was closed down by the authortieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX37tRoUqVE The expat community in Orgiva – about half the total population of 5500 – are mainly non-hippies and there are some very wealthy individuals among them some with some pretty sumptuous prperties nestled amongst the olive groves. You just have check out some of these properties on the "owners direct" site to get a flavour of the place https://www.homeaway.com/results/spain/orgiva/region:2105 I have a soft spot for the hippies of Orgiva. They have a tough life and I doubt if I have what it takes to live the kind of lives they lead. Im a bit too partial to my creature comforts to take to living in a clapped out old van or flimsy tent though I quite like sleeping in a yurt which I have done. Many of them scrape a living making arty crafty stuff which they sell on street market every Thursday
Dragon festival it was, 2002 I think. Cigarrones was the place.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_FestivalIncidentally I was in Barcelona earlier this year, there was an exhibition in Montjuic Castle about German fascism in Barcelona. The Nazis had a strong prescence with long Nazi banners being hung across the city from 39-45 http://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/castelldemontjuic/en/activitats/exposicions/nazis-and-fascists-symbolic-occupation-barcelona-1939-1945Of course Catalonia is the region where the authorities now take the exhumation and identification of war remains most seriously.
DJP wrote:Dragon festival it was, 2002 I think. Cigarrones was the place.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_FestivalIncidentally I was in Barcelona earlier this year, there was an exhibition in Montjuic Castle about German fascism in Barcelona. The Nazis had a strong prescence with long Nazi banners being hung across the city from 39-45 http://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/castelldemontjuic/en/activitats/exposicions/nazis-and-fascists-symbolic-occupation-barcelona-1939-1945Of course Catalonia is the region where the authorities now take the exhumation and identification of war remains most seriously.Yep Cigarrones is the place. We lived for 5 years in Tijola directly opposite and on the side of the river until literally last month . This will bring back a few memories for you, DJP – the Green Dragon Festival in 2006. I went then and in 2007 when it was at its height (my ex wife was one of the peformers on stage in 2007). Very Woodstock and all thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elRM-ZRK_vw Also this which gives you a look-in on the hippies and Sufis of Orgiva (in Spanish though)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe1rTI4xfxI
It looks like the working class in some places around the world has not learned their history lessons, or are suffering from historical amnesia, but Neo-Fascism, and Neo-Fascism, and extreme nationalism is on the rise again. Instead of understanding that capitalism is our problem, they are blaming their own problem on their fellow workers. The bourgeoisie love that, and it only produces more defeats for the workers and victories for the ruling class
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