Harrappan Civilisation

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    I came across a chance comment over the weekend, regarding the Indus Valley Bronze age civilisation, that it existed for centuries without any apparent military organisation (and, indeed, its cities had no palaces or large scale public buildings, b ut very advanced and regular dwelling places. Much as the neolithic city Çatalhöyük in Turkeyhas demonstrated).

    On a quick look for articles, I came across this account:

    An Ancient Stateless Civilization: Bronze Age India and the State in History
    Thompson, Thomas J. The Independent Review10.3 (Winter 2006): 365-364.

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    To begin, we can easily understand what ultimately made for the general flourishing of production and trade. First, the area offered rich soils and the possibility of a means of farming that involved nothing in the way of complex irrigation structures. Summer monsoonal flooding gave direct sustenance to crops such as sesame, cotton, and dates, and through its impact on the water content of the soil (Allchin and Allchin 1968, 260) also assisted the production of wheat and barley, which was bountiful especially in the north owing to winter rains from the west. Second, the mountains to the north and west permitted herders to shuttle from plains to high pastures and back again between harvest seasons. Third, the whole area offered numerous points of immediate access to a great variety of raw materials. Southern locations had access to the copper of Baluchistan, and northern ones not only to highlands Afghan copper (the quality of copper ore varies regionally), but also to the gold, silver, and tin of southern Afghanistan. Regional variations in access to precious stones, sandstone, types of timber, and different marine resources existed as well.

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    the onset of vigorous interregional trade long preceded any possibility of growing cycles of violence and the emergence of increasingly skilled and wellorganized specialists in war. Therefore, elites had little chance, barring external influences, of ever emerging with the particular skills and capital resources that would permit and eventually entice them to engage in the business of large-scale cross-societal and intrasocietal theft..

    In essence, the conditions which lead to states elswhere were rendered inert due to the presence of a form of abundance.  Thompson imagines a world in which several such civilisations existed, and notes that the world we have is almost down to the accidents of geography.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87atalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCkÇatalhöyük is worth a read.

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    Çatalhöyük had no apparent social classes, as no houses with distinctive features (belonging to royalty or religious hierarchy, for example) have been found so far. The most recent investigations also reveal little social distinction based on gender, with men and women receiving equivalent nutrition and seeming to have equal social status, as typically found in Paleolithic cultures.[18][19][20] Children observed domestic areas. They learned how to perform rituals and how to build or repair houses by watching the adults make statues, beads and other objects.
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    Human beings have spent in the past longer period of peace and harmony than war . Muslims, Christian, Jews living together for more than 900 days in peace and  harmony, and ate from the same place without any problems, that is a clear indication that religion is not the main problem of our society, today it is the excuse for wars, invasions, robbers, and killing/Most historians they only mentioned the period when the Aztecs and the Incas were making human sacrifices and that has given them the excuse to justify the massacres, but they do not mention the period when they were living without all those sacrifices and they lived in peace, as well the Tainos ( means good peoples ) lived thousands of years in harmony. Why the so called Messiah was not born among them ? 

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