Scarcity and Infinite Wants: The Founding Myths of Economics
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Mr. Buick, who are you to say what I need? If I work hard, and get rich, and want to buy an expensive house, or a luxury car, who are you to stop me? This is the problem of socialism. The leaders decide who gets the money, and the majority must play along. I can decide how to use my money, whether I use it to get food, get a car, or give to the poor. I don't need your help, idiot.
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Below is the discussion so far. Feel free to add your own comments!JOHN GAULT wrote:Mr. Buick, who are you to say what I need? If I work hard, and get rich, and want to buy an expensive house, or a luxury car, who are you to stop me? This is the problem of socialism. The leaders decide who gets the money, and the majority must play along. I can decide how to use my money, whether I use it to get food, get a car, or give to the poor. I don't need your help, idiot.Apart from failing to see that needs will be self defined you also fail to see that money as an institution will cease to exist in a socialist society. Oh and also that the whole undemocratic principle of "leadership" is wholly incompatible with the way socialists look at things anyway. Can I suggest you familiarise yourself with the basics of the case for socialism first of all?
..and in capitalism you certainly do not get rich from working hard, but from getting others to work hard that they may be profitably exploited.
I'm guessing this was just a hit and run comment rather than a serious attempt at discussion. "John Galt" is a character in Ayn Rand's"Atlas Shrugged". Luckily I don't think this stuff was that popular in the UK.
Yes, it does sound like a knee-jerk reaction (with the emphasis on the latter) of a mad marketeer to the very word "socialism" which he doesn't understand.
There are millions of peoples in this world who work hard and never get rich, and never are able to buy a house, or a car, or do not even have money to buy food for their family. Has this person heard about the so called 1% that control all the resources of the whole world ? The rest of the peoples do not even own the cemeteries. Many peoples are saying that they own a house, and they are just renting a property to a bank for a period of 30 or 40 years, and they will obtain the title when they are elderly, and then, they must continue paying taxes to the state for the use of the land until they die, which means that peoples do not own anything. There are rich peoples who donate money to the so called poor ( the wage slaves are poor peoples too ) and they get richer making those donations,ironically they also make money thru charities, The capitalist society is the profits society, profits obtained from the sweat of the peoples. This is the typical comment of peoples who do not know anything about socialism, and like to talk about it. In a socialist society they would not be any leaders, and money can be used as toilet paper and to decorate the walls, and gold and silver could be used to make cooking pots, and society would be democratically administrated by the vast majority of the human beings around the world
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/education/depth-articles/economics/economists-not-planetThis article published by the SPGB explains what we are talking about, or the economical myth about scarcity
JOHN GAULT wrote:Mr. Buick, who are you to say what I need? If I work hard, and get rich, and want to buy an expensive house, or a luxury car, who are you to stop me? This is the problem of socialism. The leaders decide who gets the money, and the majority must play along. I can decide how to use my money, whether I use it to get food, get a car, or give to the poor. I don't need your help, idiot.This guy does not understand that leaders and presidents have their own bosses, and they can not change the economical base of any society, on the contrary, the economical base changes them, . All countries at the present time have leaders, therefore, they are undemocratic, because the concept of leadership is anti-democratic, and the only thing that peoples are doing is placing their own rulers on power. Before we call anybody an idiot, we must think who is in reality the real idiot
JOHN GAULT wrote:Mr. Buick, who are you to say what I need? If I work hard, and get rich, and want to buy an expensive house, or a luxury car, who are you to stop me? This is the problem of socialism. The leaders decide who gets the money, and the majority must play along. I can decide how to use my money, whether I use it to get food, get a car, or give to the poor. I don't need your help, idiot.Most workers who work hard still don't get rich. How are they to be rewarded? When someone resorts to insults they have a weak case.
rodmanlewis wrote:Most workers who work hard still don't get rich. How are they to be rewarded? When someone resorts to insults they have a weak case.He has yelled "ya boo" and run away also.
Matt wrote:rodmanlewis wrote:Most workers who work hard still don't get rich. How are they to be rewarded? When someone resorts to insults they have a weak case.He has yelled "ya boo" and run away also.
At the present time workers are working harder and spending longer hours that in prior years, and we have more wage slaves and bigger level of poverty around the world, and all the wealth of the world are accumulated in the hands of a few peoples.They are saying that in order to be a rich person you must have billions or trillions of dollars, and there are only two individuals that comply with that requirements. Is he one of them ? No, Bill Gate is the one, and the other on was Carlos Slim and he lost billions of dollars in 2015. Some peoples in this world must take a bath on social reality, instead of being living on illusions and pipe dreams
JOHN GAULT wrote:Mr. Buick, who are you to say what I need? If I work hard, and get rich, and want to buy an expensive house, or a luxury car, who are you to stop me? This is the problem of socialism. The leaders decide who gets the money, and the majority must play along. I can decide how to use my money, whether I use it to get food, get a car, or give to the poor. I don't need your help, idiot.Mr. Gault,I respect you're ambition and in fact I've gone so far as to immitate you in working hard to get rich too. One of the ways I have worked hard is to find out exactly how much money you have and I've sold that information to all the people who sell luxury houses and cars. go ahead and buy a house from them or a car. Some of them have paid me an additional amount of money for my detailed report on exactly how much you are willing to pay for your house and car before you decide it's better to live without them. they all signed an agreement with me with sever penalties for selling at a lower price than the amount you can afford. the most expensive nicest houses will cost you about 5 years worth of your hard work, but you can still afford a less lavish house if you only want to pay an amount you could earn in 3 years. Buy any house or car you want. it's a free country.By the way, Mr Gault, I appreciate your devotion to freedom and I've used my beloved freedom to hire my brother to follow you arround and tell people how much money you make and all about how much you can afford to pay. if you try to go outside my network or build your own house my brother will be their to sell the information about just how successfull you've become with the people you hire or purchase from. It seems we both appreciate the freedom to go anywhere and talk to anyone and make money. You've been a great resource to me and my work extracting value in your situation has paid off handsomely to make me a lot of money already. I look forward to doing business with you in the future and so do the real estate agents and car salesmen and contstruction laborers. You're trully building a better world for everyone. Now if you'll please excuse me, I have a house and a car I'm going to buy with the money I've earned from my hard work. I think your kind of an idiot who wouldn't be much help to me right now, so goodbye.
rodmanlewis wrote:JOHN GAULT wrote:Mr. Buick, who are you to say what I need? If I work hard, and get rich, and want to buy an expensive house, or a luxury car, who are you to stop me? This is the problem of socialism. The leaders decide who gets the money, and the majority must play along. I can decide how to use my money, whether I use it to get food, get a car, or give to the poor. I don't need your help, idiot.Most workers who work hard still don't get rich. How are they to be rewarded? When someone resorts to insults they have a weak case.
Black peoples work hard for free and for four hundred in the USA slavery system and they are still living in extreme poverty. So, something must wrong and the expression that if you work hard you get rich, it looks that it does not apply to them. There are examples like in India, Asia, South America and Central America where peoples also work hard and they do not get rich either.
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