Green democracy and leadership

My increasing experience of those describing themselves as eco-socialists seems that they are not too different from the usual Trotskyist Left…they seek a mixture of reforms of which some are not deliverable except with the destruction of capitalism along with other reforms that are possible to achieve within the constraints of capitalism…Socialism itself is vaguely referred to as the ultimate goal…but first let us save the Earth…then demand socialism…and perhaps the campaign for achieving the reforms will speed the day…But they appear blind to the constradictions…the reforms that are possible…reinforces the capitalist system ….and those reforms that are not achievable brings disillusionment or at most keep the movement on the perpetual treadmill of protest endeavouring to obtain them and distracts from the socialist objective…….Our campaign must be stark …It is either socialism or extinction…No other choice exists…reforms will fail to succeed and at best will simply postpone the inevitable by a decade or two…I know some say it is negativism based on fear but i always suggest that we should be laying down more of a blueprint of socialism and making it a positive immediate scenario(Although it is theoretically conceivable that capitalism can avoid planetary suicide it is extremely unlikely it will take the necessary acts before global disasters and catastrophes have become daily events.) Regards to the Green Party we have precedents of when they have had electoral success and gained political power in other countries …they have regressed to your usual run of the mill social democratic liberal party, full of compromise and concessions. There is no reason to assume that the Greens in the UK would also follow suit. As for its democracy we have seen how its rehabiltation to normal politics led to the abandnment of their twin-spokespersons and adoption of the standard party leader model. 

There's democracy and there's democracy. I'm sure the Greens are fairly (even extremely) democratic by the standards of their peers (though I have no direct knowledge or experience). But as someone raised politically within the SPGB, every democracy (with the sole exception of Occupy-style democracy, which can be as impressive, even better in some ways, but with different problems) I've ever experienced has been found seriously wanting. The internal democractic culture of the SPGB is probably one of the things the party can be most proud of. Although, sadly, it's hard to get anyone to believe you because most people's experience is with the democracy of the fraudulent kind.

Hi Brian,How did it go the other night?

And they say they practice a new politics !! Another ill-advised media mishap

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/activists-see-red-at-greens-1000ahead-ball-10108030.html

I remember going to a Green Party Conference in the mid or late 1980s (I think). At that time they had no Leader,  any six members could propose a motion for their conference, and any member could attend the conference and vote on motions. I remember thinking at the time that, given our respective sizes, they had a constitution more appropriate to us and vice versa. In the meantime their constitution has changed to something more like ours, with their conference too being a conference of branch delegates. Not sure though that they then put conference motions to a referendum of the whole membership, but I don't think so.