‘The National’ new newspaper
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November 22, 2014 at 12:48 am #83337alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
Scotland referendum fall out continues with the launch of a new daily paper supporting independence from the Daily Herald stable
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/21/the-national-pro-independence-newspaper-launch-scotland
November 22, 2014 at 11:11 am #105927alanjjohnstoneKeymasterIt may be a good idea for the media committee to investigate the costs of placing an ad in this new paper. Being a new paper i'm guessing its introductory rates should be reasonable to try and attract advetisers.My reasoning for an ad is that many readers will be more politically minded than the average reader of the existing newspapers. We could place a One World, anti-nationalism World Socialist Movement advert which i think would draw attention and provoke a response.
November 22, 2014 at 12:22 pm #105928steve colbornParticipantExcellent idea Alan. Get in on the ground floor and see what happens.
November 23, 2014 at 12:06 am #105929alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWe shouldn't make the mistake that Scottish nationalism has disappeared with the referendum result. As they promised the pro-independence camp is still there and still active. LU may have had 500 at their conference, Radical Independence in Glasgow had 15,000. The SNP picked up the referendum support, not the Left Nationalists. SNP memberhip grew nearly four-fold.There is actual talk now of UDI if London reneges on promises of more power or if UK exits EU. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scotland-blog/2014/nov/22/radical-independence-and-nicola-sturgeon-take-glasgow-by-storm The 54% No vote was not all about the UK union nationalism for i am sure there were many who were anti-nationalist in principle who voted No. We should try and reach those. But to be honest…i expect another missed opportunity to stake our claim and mine for members.
November 23, 2014 at 2:10 am #105930alanjjohnstoneKeymasterRemember the slogan "It's Scotland's Oil"No doubt it will be chnged to "It's Scotlands Water"http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/14bn-plan-to-share-scots-water-with-england-1-3613430
November 23, 2014 at 9:23 pm #105931Darren redstarParticipantJust had a sharp debate with an old friend who posted up the report on the radical nationalists, they don't like anyone reminding them that socialism is anti nationalist.then again yesterday spent the evening being insulted for criticising a leftist posting pro Islamic statements.
November 24, 2014 at 12:21 am #105932alanjjohnstoneKeymasterLeft nationalists love to quote Marx or Engels about the Irish or the Poles or India but totally ignore what they said about Slavic nationalism. They can't quite comprehend the materialist conception of history that the 19thC conditions are no longer applicable…we no longer require to strengthen capitalists by undermining feudalistic states or the political hang-overs of them. For those who consider themselves further to the left, they have to diminish Rosa Luxemburg's stand against national self-determination and adopt Lenin's real politik such as his pro-Turk position but even he had the justification that he was defending a "workers state" in a hostile world so opportunistic alliances were excusable…but just what are the left nationalists defending? What supposed "advance" is worth sacrificing principle to pragmatism. At times, it simply is crude anti-Americanism being expressed. As has been pointed out, the beneficiaries of the referendum has been the pro-capitalist SNP and the proponents of "social-democratic" Nordic economic policy (nations who themselves are shedding such reforms). And if left nationalists hope for an electoral advantage of SNP support they require Sturgeon's stamp of approval, cap-in-hand deference to the Establishment instead of being a truly independent workers party.
November 24, 2014 at 11:49 am #105933Carla DeeParticipantDo you think a pro independence newspaper will run an anti nationalist advert?
November 24, 2014 at 12:18 pm #105934alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWould a capitalist enterprise turn away a paying customer especially at the start-up stage?What was that joke Marx cracked? …a capitalist would sell us the rope that we intend to lynch him with.There are many occasions where a newspaper have published paid advertisements that have opposing position to the papers editorial policies. I recall the George Harrison funded Yoga/Hare Krishna consciousness Natural Law Party placed full page small-print ads is all the newspapers at one time (even claiming that people bouncing on their arses was a form of levitation) If they declined, which as i said i don't think they would, it would still be ideal for us to claim they were not interested in democratic debate and wished to suppress contrary opinions. So much for the freedom of the press!
November 24, 2014 at 2:29 pm #105935Carla DeeParticipantok as I am on the advertising commitee I will look into it – I like the Debs quote and if anyone here has any further ideas then please get in touch. I will at least find out what money they are asking – it may be prohibitive let's see
November 24, 2014 at 7:50 pm #105936DJPParticipantCarla Dee wrote:Do you think a pro independence newspaper will run an anti nationalist advert?More to the point do you not think this will be a waste of time and money. I really think so…
November 25, 2014 at 1:05 am #105937alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAs been pointed out the nationalism debate up here has not disappeared as some expected post-referendum. Perhaps the price of an ad will be prohibitive…the appropriate committee will take that into consideration when deciding size and design of the ad. It is simply a good idea to investigate further. A waste of time? I think that is a matter of opinion. Any of our activity can be accused of the same if they are to be judged upon results.The reality is on the ground in Scotland we no longer have the presence we once had, and all credit to Glasgow and Edinburgh members present and past in that it was once a prominent presence. Every opportunity should be taken now to raise our profile. If not, to return to an earlier thread, we might as well anticipate the future and rename ourselves the Socialist Party of Southern Britain…the SPSB….hmmm??…Does have a catchy sound to it, doesn't it ?(apologies to the Welsh and North of England branches)
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