Alperovitz V Albert

http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/a-conversation-on-economic-visions/

Pluralist Commonwealth versus Parecon 

Such debates do my health an injury because i just want to scream at the laptop but i do find those with contesting models often doing our work by exposing weaknesses in the proposed models. 

Albert — "…He said that we took over the workplace, the owners and the upper management were gone, because they didn’t want to be a part of a workplace that they thought was going to fail. And we took it over and made it work. But now he had to say, I’m afraid Margaret Thatcher was right, there is no alternative. This is why they were crying. 

He said: we took it over, we were so excited, we made our wages equal. We instituted democracy. We had a workers’ council. We made our decisions democratically, and after a period of time, all the old crap came back. All the old alienation came back, and now it just feels the way it used to feel. And they were all saying it, person after person was saying it…"

 ALPEROVITZ —- "…we know from the studies of worker-owned plywood companies in the US, they can tend to develop conservative attitudes, not socialist attitudes…."