Marx v Lenin (again)

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    ALB
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    Another good article by Paresh Chattopadhyay pointing out that Marx did not agree with Lenin's view that socialist consciousness had to be brought to the working class from outside the class struggle by a vanguard of professional revolutionaries:

    http://mainstreamweekly.net/article4060.html

    #92526
    alanjjohnstone
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    Could we perhaps do an interview with him for the Standard as Stuart did with Mattick Jnr.

    #92527
    alanjjohnstone
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     http://mainstreamweekly.net/article3190.htmlAnother article in the same magazine by Paresh Chattopadhyay supporting our position on the definitions of socialism/communism

    #92528
    ALB
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    Another interesting example of how Marx's ideas are making headway in Asia at the expense of Lenin's which up to now they had been mistaken for:http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=449041&catid=39

    #92529
    alanjjohnstone
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    Another Paresh Chattopadhyay  article which makes good reading when he explains  russia being state capitalisthttp://www.frontierweekly.com/articles/vol-45/45-22/45-22-Rethinking%20Revolution.htmlAlso scroll down here to an exchange with some Leninist and Paresh  http://www.frontierweekly.com/index.htmlIf i was in the Socialist Party of Canada i be inviting him to give a talk.It is not really a surprise that India is a centre of debate on Lenin and Marx since it has had two states controlled by a supposed Communist Party, Bengal and Kerala. There is as well a not very publicised but wide-spread rural guerrilla war being conducted by diverse Maoist Naxalites.It is sad our Indian comrades and ex-comrades cannot make their presence more known on the internet.   

    #92530
    alanjjohnstone
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    It is interesting that once you begin to look a lot of things start appearing. This interview with Paresh is of interest because it touches on how we tackle what is called uneven development of consciousness.  http://www.frontierweekly.com/pdf-files/vol-44-39/self-governing%20-44-39.pdf “In backward countries the numbers of workers—male and female—comprise an insignificant portion of total population. Like the remaining sections, they too are considerably illiterate and deprived of access to education. Moreover, a mammoth part of the country is superstitious, lacking faith in self-power with belief in Guruism, Avtarism and Destinyism. In such case, workers' revolution is meaningless. There the struggle is to be against pre-capitalist relations and for setting up an order of democracy encompassing the society. There the principal task of an intellectual or intellectuals is to spread education and campaign for scientific outlook among the people and convince them clearly that Destinyism and Avtarism stood on their lack of faith in their self-power….The pre-capitalist garbage is huge and this overburden is to be removed through long term educational relations. Extensive Education, expansion of scientific outlook and struggle against superstitions have to be organized, through many small initiatives. The role of progressive intellectuals is crucial in it. To be victorious in this struggle, examples in developed countries in the past have to be cited in the campaign.Mankind's distresses are not due to sin of previous life, distresses are not scripted on the forehead. The answer to your question lies in proper arousing of faith in the self-power of mankind.” Got to walk before you run, and for many in the world, religious chains still shackle them and for many, basic political liberties don’t exist, regardless of supposed nominal constitutional rights.  This is also worth a read concentrating on the Marxist concept of free association of individualshttp://www.frontierweekly.com/pdf-files/vol-44-38/socialism-44-38.pdf In this following article he describes his political evolution beginning with Bettelheim and then on to the “great ‘Marx’ scholar, Maximilien Rubel—arguably the greatest since David Riazanov.” i have to take his word since i haven’t read Riazanov. He makes the point we often do that ‘‘Calling a party, communist or claiming to be one does not mean that the party is communist.”http://www.frontierweekly.com/pdf-files/vol-44-35/marx-44-35.pdf

    #92531
    ALB
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    It is sad our Indian comrades and ex-comrades cannot make their presence more known on the internet.

    They're trying their best. See:http://www.worldsocialistpartyindia.org/http://www.facebook.com/gorachand.paramanikhttp://www.facebook.com/snkrsarkarhttp://www.facebook.com/binay.sarkar.5http://www.facebook.com/groups/328364997178353/There is also this person in Bangladesh who doesn’t agree with us (anti-parliamenary) but who is resolutely anti-Leninist and who posts regularly on our facebook page:http://www.facebook.com/shahalam2012HIs site is here: http://icwfreedom.org/I don't think we need worry too much that Leninism is not being severely criticised in this part of the world by people living there.

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