Elon Musk – the Revolutionary Anti-capitalist!
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November 3, 2023 at 3:50 pm #248139
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ParticipantI just saw a pig flying by:
“Elon Musk told Rishi Sunak on Thursday that artificial intelligence will one day eradicate the need for jobs.
Interviewed by the Prime Minister to conclude the AI Safety Summit, the Tesla boss said that the technology would be able to “do everything” in the future and people would decide to have jobs only if they want to for “personal satisfaction”….
He went on to say that “we will be in an age of abundance”, adding: “We won’t be on universal basic income; we will be on universal high income.”
November 3, 2023 at 5:25 pm #248140piers
KeymasterIf anybody heard the World at One today, they almost had two commentators having a capitalism vs socialism debate – a aristocrat trotting out the usual rubbish and an academic who said something along the lines of fulfilling work was only possible with a fundamental change to “our economy”.
November 4, 2023 at 1:39 pm #248160ALB
KeymasterHere’s Musk endorsing the view that capitalism is morally right. No mention of a “universal high income” but his views in general tend to be a bit eclectic.
This book is an excellent explanation of why capitalism is not just successful, but morally right, especially chapter 4 https://t.co/SZuiGRu5Va
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 23, 2023
November 4, 2023 at 1:59 pm #248161robbo203
ParticipantThis link was sent to me. The writer talks of “Karl Marx’s dream was of state-regulated general production that allowed liberated workers to “hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner” without the drudgery of being tied to one job.”
November 5, 2023 at 1:01 am #248165Anonymous
InactiveUtopia is a society that does not exist in the present time, but it might exist in the future, and Engels called utopian to those so called socialists who wanted to reform capitalism for the benefits of the working class, as Lenin said that state capitalism was beneficial for the working class
I do not think he is referring to the same concept advocated by Paul Lafargue on The right to be lazy .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_to_Be_Lazy
As a capitalist and a defender of capitalism he is not aware that human being is the only being over the earth that can produce surplus value and without surplus value capitalism will collapse.
He is a clear example that you do not need academic knowledge and a degree on business administration to become rich, you just have to be a crook, he is a just a eclectic but he is a billionaire
As a Journalist told De Santis in regard to woke: You better read your Karl Marx.
He should become the economic adviser of Javier Milei in Argentina who has also said that free market is the best solution to our problems, but Chile is the best example of the failure of the so called free market system advocated by a famous economist known as Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys
November 5, 2023 at 7:15 am #248167davecoggan
Participant“The fact is, then, that if machines are doing all the jobs, there will be no economy.
You won’t be able to buy anything because you won’t be earning anything.
And there’s no point going to the government for help because that won’t have any money either. Because machines don’t pay taxes.
They just spend all day making stuff. That no one can afford to buy.
This means we will need a whole new economy. A whole new system where there’s no such thing as money.
And that is the biggest worry of them all because no one has a clue what that might be.”
Jeremy Clarkson The Sun 4 November
Given that JC is like marmite there’s no denying he is an intelligent person. The fact that he can make comments like this, and in an apparently genuine confused way says a lot.
November 7, 2023 at 5:58 pm #248230ALB
KeymasterOn the other hand, I am not quite sure what century Elon Musk hails from with his odd assertion that AI will mean there will be no more work to be done but for some strange reason, money will persist and we will all enjoy a “Universal high income”
To be fair, I don’t think he meant “income” in a monetary sense but more in the sense of standard of living (what people use or consume). This in contrast to what the measly poverty-line “basic” income advocated by sundry reformists would buy.
Clarkson expressed the concept more clearly (assuming that he wrote it himself).
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