American workers turning right

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  • #218971
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    There has been much said on the forum from anecdotal evidence that Trump indeed had captured the hearts and minds of our white fellow-workers in the USA.

    A more detailed analysis is made here

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/08/white-working-class-turning-right

    White working-class neighborhoods in Penn State strongly supported Trump but not in the low-paying service industry sector.

    It wasn’t just in Florida or the Tex-Mex Border that Trump had an increased Hispanic vote.

    #218972
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    That is not new. I have known since I was a young man that American workers were right wingers and anti communists, and many workers who emigrated from others countries they also become right wingers

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayoral-loss-hispanic-heavy-texas-005406960.html

    #219377
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Is the well-respected political commentator, Patrick Cockburn, using hyperbole in the article?

    The Republican Party has Turned Fascist and is Now the Most Dangerous Threat in the World

    ‘The G7 meeting focused attention on many challenges facing the world, but it did not address the most dangerous threat of them all, which is the transformation of the Republican Party in the US into a fascist movement.’

    #219378
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Yes he is. I read that article and was disappointed by it as in other articles he had dismissed the idea that the riot on the Capitol was an attempted fascist coup. The Republican Party certainly is going in for practices that in other countries would be regarded as corrupt but then American politics has always been corrupt.

    #219380
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    An argument would be if the Republicans are shifting further right-wards, then it is dragging the Democrats and their political spectrum to the right as well. Recent criticism of AOC and the Squad is that they have assimilated into the Democratic Party machine.

    And we have to compare it with American history. There was Huey Long, there was Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh and Joseph McCarthy.

    How do they rate alongside the 3-Percenters, the Proud Boys and Ammon Bundy and all the other militias?

    In numbers probably just as prevalent but I’m guessing.

    I do think Cockburn’s point that the American political scene has a very different history from other countries is valid and has unique elements which make it even double-important to use appropriate language and not use throwaway terms as fascist.

    #219411
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Democratic Party was the institution of the real radical right wingers, it was the party of the slave owners, slave traders, the ku kux klan, the white supremacist and Indians haters. Malcolm x asked the black to stop voting for their leaders The USA has always being governed by reactionary right wingers including FDR and JFK. The program implemented by FDR were pushed by the communist party who controlled a workers coalition
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8869214-the-white-liberal-is-the-worst-enemy-to-america-and

    #219414
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Democratic Party leaders are only suing Donald Trump for tax evasion like Richard Nixon and Al Capone but they are exculpating him from others crimes that he has committed.( the same thing took place on the impeachment trial, only one issue when he had violation the whole USA constitution ) It is the same case of Al Capone, they did not try him for others crimes because every body at every government level was involved including the judges, policemen, governors and senators. A poor person is caught with an ounce of Marihuana and he would spend the rest of his life in prison. The capitalist system is based on legal and illegal crimes. There is not difference between a so called third world republic and the USA legal system

    #219416
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Whether she is or not, and it is clear from her palliatives that she isn’t but can we say it is a degree of progress that she is willing to publicly declare herself as socialist in the USA and that not all the people are shifting right.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/23/india-walton-socialist-candidate-buffalo-mayor-primary-race

    “We are looking forward to doing things differently…My plan is to put our resources into community, into neighborhoods, and govern in a deeply democratic way, that the people who are governed have a say over the decision-making process and how resources are deployed in our community…”

    Walton’s platform outlines plans to tackle a local affordable housing crisis and declare Buffalo a sanctuary city for immigrants, which limits a local jurisdiction’s cooperation with federal enforcement o f immigration law. And also the intention to convert the city’s fleet of public vehicles to electric cars in an effort to address climate change.

    One of her key proposals foreshadows sweeping reforms to “public safety”, focusing on harm prevention, restorative justice and the root causes of crime instead of punitive action, according to her campaign platform.

    Under her watch, police will no longer respond to most mental health calls and will stop enforcing low-level drug possession offenses. She also intends to require unpaid leave for officers under investigation for police brutality, among other measures.

    #219462
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Another reformist to grease the wheels of the capitalist state. We have said it for more than 104 years that capitalism can not be reformed, it must be replaced by a post capitalist society. Is it so difficult to understand that ?

    #219475
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    An interesting essay by Jonathan Cook on how the lesser evil proponents have divided the left.

    What happened to Glenn Greenwald? Trump happened – and put the left’s priorities to the test

    If Trump poses a unique danger to democracy, then to avoid any recurrence:

    We are obligated to rally uncritically, or at least very much less critically, behind whoever was selected to be his opponent. Following Trump’s defeat, we are dutybound to restrain our criticisms of the winner, Joe Biden, however poor his performance, in case it opens the door to Trump, or someone like Trump, standing for the presidency in four years’ time.

    We must curb free speech and limit the free-for-all of social media in case it contributed to the original surge of support for Trump, or created the more febrile political environment in which Trump flourished.

    We must eradicate all signs of populism, whether on the right or the left, because we cannot be sure that in a battle of populisms the left will defeat the right, or that leftwing populism cannot be easily flipped into rightwing populism.

    And most importantly, we must learn to distrust “the masses” – those who elected Trump – because they have demonstrated that they are too easily swayed by emotion, prejudice and charisma. Instead, we must think in more traditional liberal terms, of rule by technocrats and “experts” who can be trusted to run our societies largely in secret but provide a stability that should keep any Trumps out of power.

    #219486
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    We don’t have that kind of problems because we don’t support leaders, any government , and the concept of the lesser evil and we do not make alliance with any group

    #220078
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    A fairly balanced article questioning whether it is useful to use the term fascist regards Trumpists

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/10/differences-between-fascism-and-trumpism

    #220082
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Based on the proper definition of Fascism/Nazism, they can not be cataloged as Fascists or Nazis. The post Fascists/Nazis concept was created and propagated by the Stalinists who played the same opportunist card for many years, and any opponents were seen as Fascist/Nazis

    #220083
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Why is it assumed that “American workers” are only “white”? What about the others? They would seem to have turned “left”.

    #220084
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The USA working class is composed of people from different colors of their skin,( so-called races ) national origin, languages, and ethnic groups, but their social and economic interests are the same

    The concept that American workers are only white is an old idea spread by the white nationalists, and the capitalist class and that concept has been used to divide the working class for several decades and to keep them fighting against each other

    There are many Afro-Americans, Latinos, Asians, and Arabs who are right-wingers and Trumpists. Most Afro American rejected Bernie Sanders because they considered that he was a communist and many were influenced by the black religious pastors ( similar to the white Christians right-wingers) and the black capitalist class which shares the same interest as the white capitalist class.

    The USA is not divided between conservatives and liberals, it is divided between proletarian and bourgoises, there is no such thing as a middle class, it is only a fantasy or a myth, social classes are defined according to their relationship with the means of production

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