Protests that triggered change

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  • #211894
    james19
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    The Civil rights movement, African-Americans were not allowed to vote, 60 years ago! Depressingly the Civil rights movement and BLM are 60 years apart.

    Civil rights movement
    Gay rights
    Berlin Wall
    Arab Spring uprising
    Iraq war

    Four protests that triggered change – and one that didn’t https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53161271

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    #211913
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Ignoring the many over-throws of dictators, such as Marcos of the Philippines, the Shah of Iran. Nor Apartheid? Nor the Women’s Movement?

    #211919
    james19
    Participant

    alanjjohnston We, or rather yourself haven’t. I saw this by accident, as I was looking for something else (below) on the BBC website, which I first read on Sky news, I looked for it on the BBC under ‘World’ unlike Sky, they don’t have ‘US’ news?

    Andre Hill shooting: US officers stood by and failed to help as black man lay dying following police shooting

    https://news.sky.com/story/andre-hill-shooting-us-officers-stood-by-and-failed-to-help-as-black-man-lay-dying-following-police-shooting-12176574

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    #211924
    james19
    Participant

    I remember someone telling me, in a matter of fact way, on a forum elsewhere, ‘Socialism’ is never going to happen? This was at the same time, a great example of people wanting change. Ok, all be it within the framework of Capitalism….
    I used this example, it was never repeated again.
    Today we have #BLM, with over 80 countries holding demonstrations in support of #BLM. Yfs

    #211946
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    “I remember someone telling me, in a matter of fact way, on a forum elsewhere, ‘Socialism’ is never going to happen?”

    They were right!

    https://eand.co/why-freedom-became-free-dumb-in-america-4947e39663f2

    #211947
    L.B. Neill
    Participant

    They were right!- and is this tamper proof?
    Education is the first process in bringing about Socialism in its proper form.
    Can I alter ‘they were right” into “they where wrong”- are you okay with this- if not, why the hell post…
    Yes we have BLM. Yes we have gender equity. Yes we have so many groups with an ethnomethodology focus.. yes all lives matter.
    I will not surrender to: they were right- and who are they to say it was right?
    Articles calling people ‘dumb’ is more Locke liberal ideology and has no place in the historical progression, ending the class struggle.
    All the oppressions we call out unite us. The common protagonist, and the arch villain is the apex leadership that sees us as a divided herd- and exploits it.
    Sad, is it not, very sad.
    BLM and all forms of class, racial, gender, religious… and how many others… are not to divide us, but to unite us in our rich experience of being human.
    ‘They were right’ is akin to bowing in the dirt, turning our labour into sad and anxious offerings, then leaving nothing more than a dissipating howl at the end.
    And that howl: it should be ours, or should be theirs.
    We or they: they or we… collapse it. We vote it through the only suffrage common- parliament- educate and then vote.
    Who are ‘they’?
    Nothing more than ‘we’ and ‘they’. A simple binarism. Stop the support for the apex divisions, and know that socialism is the future organisation of society… evolving towards it.
    Protest that triggers change: start with believing it will change…
    Stop the defeatism- it is not socialism.
    “They were right”- no… they are very wrong… very wrong.
    You know, these attitudes and defeatist statements slow the whole thing down.
    I am idealistic- and some say your ideal is a pipe dream- well ‘f’, tell women, and indigenous, and class communities that suffrage was an ideal.
    Keep going- keep pressing ahead… or surrender to the boot that keeps us dead.
    L.B

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    #211950
    james19
    Participant

    I remember someone telling me, in a matter of fact way, on a forum elsewhere, ‘Socialism’ is never going to happen? This was at the same time, *of the Arab Spring uprisings*, a great example of people wanting change….

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    #211956
    L.B. Neill
    Participant

    james19,
    Is this a repeating history- or do we move on from here!

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    #211993
    james19
    Participant

    zusammenhang replied to me. It was then I noticed my mistake.
    I could have simply inserted the line. But I can’t modify the that post. I hope it would read as I originally intended? Sorry for the mistake.
    L.B. Neill, rather lengthy post I’m afraid. Not sure I understand it tbh.
    YFS

    #211994
    Anonymous
    Inactive


    “L.B. Neill, rather lengthy post I’m afraid. Not sure I understand it tbh.”

    You’re not the only one, James.

    BTW, you can call me Hannah if you like – zusammenhang is rather a mouthful… 🙂

    #211995
    L.B. Neill
    Participant

    Sorry, Hannah, a moment of sheer frustration and a post with no clear statement-
    Seems to happen a lot to me these days, covid cabin syndrome… james19, yes a meandering last post- but can I ask: what is tbh short for?
    If I could distil my last post: I feel disheartened at times when people think Socialism is a pipedream- and I think I was trying to put a positive in it… what a spectacular flop in delivery!
    Just call me LB. L.B. Neill sounds way too pomp 🙂

    #212000
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    “but can I ask: what is tbh short for?”

    *to be honest*

    “Just call me LB. L.B. Neill sounds way too pomp”

    Fair enough LB.

    H x

    #212007
    PartisanZ
    Participant

    ‘zusammenhang’ is a cool name though, meaning ‘context’ or correlation. Hog Diggity dawg.

    #212017
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Sounds a bit Hegelian.

    #212025
    PartisanZ
    Participant

    Sounds a bit Hegelian.

    You could philosophically be right.

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