Labour Party Splits
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February 18, 2019 at 11:22 am #183600
alanjjohnstone
KeymasterThe first of many?
February 18, 2019 at 1:34 pm #183602PartisanZ
ParticipantIn a founding statement on its website, the group sets out its approach to the economy, public services and security, as well as Brexit, saying its aim was to “pursue policies that are evidence-based, rather than led by ideology”.
Hilarious.
February 18, 2019 at 5:46 pm #183604Anonymous
Inactive“Hilarious”
Yes, what a coterie of pathetic know-nothings.
February 19, 2019 at 5:30 am #183617alanjjohnstone
KeymasterWhy don’t they stand in by-elections if they are such democrats…
February 19, 2019 at 8:08 am #183619ALB
KeymasterOne of their pretexts for leaving Labour was anti-Semitism, but within a couple of days it was revealed that over 14% of the new group’s membership is colour-prejudiced:
So the moral high-ground against prejudice has crumbled beneath them. They can’t have much of a future after the next general election in 2022 when they will all be booted out — though they can draw their MP’s salary and other perks in the three years till then. After that, into retirement or a job in the City.
Who wants another capitalist political party anyway?
p.s. this is not a split. It’s a splinter.
February 19, 2019 at 8:35 am #183620Hic rodus
ParticipantLBC were asking people in the streets of Glasgow if they knew who these people were. One of the people interviewed thought Angela Smith was a comedy actress, close but maybe tragedian is closer. I’m no expert but I keep thinking of Plato’s philosopher kings. Just like more capitalism is supposed to save us, now it seems politicians who only follow facts will save us.
February 19, 2019 at 9:52 am #183621alanjjohnstone
KeymasterMore bad news for Labour.
Derek Hatton rejoins
February 19, 2019 at 10:56 pm #183632alanjjohnstone
KeymasterPerhaps our election committee can comment
The Independent Group resembles a political party and is soliciting money from members of the public, it currently only exists as a limited company called Gemini A Ltd. It was incorporated last month by Gavin Shuker MP, who is its sole director.
It is unclear whether the commission, which regulates the use of political party names, would allow the name “the Independent Group” to be registered because of potential confusion on the ballot paper with candidates standing as genuine independents. As a result the group could ultimately adopt a different name to stand in election.
The group has said it intends to voluntarily disclose donations in line with the law governing political parties, only accepting money from UK donors and naming individuals who give more than £7,500.
Were it to register with the commission, the Independent Group would eventually be entitled to public “Short money” funding for opposition parties, but not until it had fought in a general election.
The Independent Group’s domain is actually registered with a company based in Phoenix, Arizona, and its website was designed by Seraph, a web design business based in Shuker’s Luton South constituency.
February 20, 2019 at 8:09 am #183645Hic rodus
ParticipantThe section below the Neil Kinnock video sums up Derek:
February 20, 2019 at 8:10 am #183646ALB
KeymasterNow you’ve mentioned him, I thought I’d look up more on this Shuker character. It turns out he’s a raving Christian fundamentalist. From the Wikipedia entry on him:
Shuker became leader and pastor of the City Life Church in Luton until he stood for parliament (…) Shuker was opposed to the introduction of same-sex marriage. In 2012 he threatened to resign if Ed Miliband whipped Labour to support equal marriage. (…) In March 2012, Shuker was one of three MPs who signed a letter sent to the Advertising Standards Authority asking it to reverse its decision to stop the Christian group “Healing on the Streets of Bath” from making explicit claims that prayer can heal. The letter called for the ASA to provide indisputable scientific evidence that healing did not work.
Pity Ivan isn’t still doing his “Greasy Pole” column in the Socialist Standard. He could have a field day with this lot.
February 20, 2019 at 7:20 pm #183650alanjjohnstone
Keymasterhttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47312006
Derek Hatton suspended for 2012 tweet that
“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel!”
This would be presumably in breach of the IHRA guideline
“Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.”
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February 20, 2019 at 7:37 pm #183652alanjjohnstone
KeymasterFebruary 21, 2019 at 6:14 am #183659ALB
KeymasterThose Tory women are a bit more impressive than the original band of Labour malcontents and misfits but still capitalist politicians of course.
As for Hatton, there’s nothing particularly antisemitic about what he said in 2012. Everybody was saying it at the time as Israel was then bombing the hell out of the poor sods in Gaza. Some idiots had lobbed some rockets into Israel and the Israeli army was applying its usual policy of a hundred eyes for one eye.
February 22, 2019 at 10:19 am #183681ALB
KeymasterI see the issue of “deselection” and a proposal that MPs who change parties should have to resign has come and is being criticised, but what’s wrong with this, at least with deselection? Under the names of “recall” and “revocation” isn’t this an essential part of the sort of democracy we advocate? In other words, if someone elected doesn’t carry out the mandate that their electors voted for, then the electors have the right to replace them with someone who will.
February 22, 2019 at 11:03 am #183684alanjjohnstone
KeymasterI recall a pamphlet by someone (Mick Parkin?) who had studied the radical CNT unions of Spain and although that all had the recall provision in their constitutions he found no evidence that it had actually been evoked.
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